Flyin’ Miata Trusts Banks iDash Pro for Data

00:00 hey everyone Brandon with flying Miata back for yet another FM live and today we’re going to talk about data how to get it what to do with it how to see it and what it means uh via the banks ID Dash uh which has been around for a while but there’s some new stuff and we

00:16 also kind of want to go over some of the more in-depth stuff that you can do with it now as always you have questions drop them in the comments we’ll try to get to them live if we don’t we’ll get to them after the fact that said what is an ID Dash so an Dash is this tiny little

00:32 gauge here so this is an OBD2 scanner it’s a can be a Data Logger it’s it has a ton of capability in there so now it is OBD2 that is only for NC and ND the Nas and NBS are a basic rudimentary enough uh OBD2 stream that it doesn’t it can’t really do anything you might get

00:57 one or two things out of it but not much that doesn’t mean it’s doesn’t work for Nas and NBS but there is an asterisk on that and I’ll talk about that later now this is a standard in our world gauge side size excuse me 52 millimeters two and a two inches two and 1/16 inches now

01:17 again it is OBD2 it plugs straight into your OBD Port OBD2 port it has a nice right angle plug so very low profile it’s not really going to be in your way um easy peasy it also has a very flat cord so in that direction wider in that direction so so it’s easy to Route

01:38 Around interior stuff um we also have a suction cup gauge uh in this car you can kind of sort of see excuse me gauge pod uh which actually works really really well if you it sounds kind of weird but if you fold it around in just the right way it really mounts nicely it’s a very

01:59 clean discret look to it and you can see some of the wires running in there too okay so since this is OBD2 it can check and clear codes it will tell you if you have a check engine light um it will tell you what that code is and it will give you the ability to clear it now it

02:17 can show and if you have the data logging version log a lot of different parameters on this car it’s 35 different parameters on an nd1 I know we have one some here somewhere uh it’s 40 parameters and on an nd2 it’s 55 and we haven’t checked on an nd3 my guess is it’s it’s even more

02:38 but basically it can it can log uh and show a ton of different parameters it can also show you different or you can set it up so it has different screens you can set up up to five custom screens and each screen can have anywhere from two to eight parameters on it all being

02:55 displayed at the same time so it’s very flexible in terms of what you want to do you can also you know have a general street one where it’s just two parameters or and then a track one where you have more parameters or maybe vice versa because you don’t have as much

03:09 time for your eyeballs to see things along those lines you can also set up warnings so you can say if the the coolant temp gets over this temperature tell me about it and it will throw a basically a yellow icon up on the screen to make it big and obvious and say hey

03:25 you have a problem you should probably pay attention um you can also add a lot of external sensors and that’s going to be a large portion of what we’re going to talk about today but in a minute so again there are two different versions of this there’s uh kind of the basic one

03:44 that does not log anything now you can set min max values so it will say your coolant temp got up to this you know this was the highest temp for your coolant this was the lowest temp for your coolant it will not say this is the Curve of your coolant the whole way

04:02 unless you have the logging version uh and you can do that for 20 different values and you choose which values are logged for minmax uh yes I think that’s it but wait there’s more I lied so there there is now a new version of the ID Dash now we don’t have it yet it will be here

04:23 shortly but it’s very similar but it’s basically just better and more modern so it has a higher res resolution on the screen it’s a better viewing angle better contrast really it’s easier to see is kind of the short version there uh it has a faster processor and more

04:39 memory uh and it the data logging is 25% faster as well so you can get a little more resolution to your data uh it also as with nearly everything has a phone app so you can Bluetooth your phone into the gauge and you can set it up more easily that way uh it’s honestly it’s really not that

04:58 hard to use the buttons but it’s easy year on the phone excuse me but it’s also very nice because if there’s an update for it your app will update you connect your phone to your gauge and then you can update it that way so over theair updates are much much easier with

05:13 the new version than with the old version and one of the things for me the thing that I’m most excited about is that the new version is going to have uh the ability to take six external sensors now the old one did as well but you had to have these piggyback modules and with these

05:32 modules man you could you could add basically anything that you can stack these things very very deep um it is impressive you can still do that with the new one but for your first six inputs I think four analog and two digital you don’t have to because that’s already built into the gauge now that is

05:52 upcoming that’s doesn’t exist on the gauges yet but that is a firmware kind of thing so it will be updated uh when you attach your phone to it in the future again we don’t have the new version yet but we will soon soon now that said we do have the old version on

06:08 the Shelf still the old version is less expensive than the new version so if you don’t need the data data logging or more really more than that if you don’t need the external sensors then save yourself some money and grab the old one if you do need the external sensors you can do

06:25 it with these probably best off to wait until the new one is here which will not be too long now let’s show you what the fancy screen or what the old screen does because we still have the old ones in our car here so this is Nancy everybody say hi to Nancy uh this is our NC turbo

06:42 development car any fans subscribers like you should all do of the channel uh will probably be very familiar with this car it’s been been here for a while so excuse me you can see the way we have the these these are just the screens that we have set up so you can see

07:00 there’s our manifold pressure there’s our engine coolant temp and there’s our catalytic converter temp so whoop um and you hold it down for a minute and it changes now we’ve removed a number of sensors from this car here’s coolant temp again uh here’s the engine oil

07:21 temp which I thought we still had in this car um we did underhood ambient temperature next to the brake lines to make that sure that was safe so we labeled that um you know they don’t have a preset for that so we change that change that name ourselves so you can go

07:35 through a bunch of this other stuff and I’ll I’ll talk about what we did there so you can choose the gauge layout here I’m not going to go into all the specifics but you choose the number of of uh gauges you choose which what you want in each field here uh data logging

07:54 is here because this is the data logging version Diagnostics we can get into the OBD2 system right there set up alerts like I said warnings you know if it if it gets too hot if my uh uh coolant temp gets overx then tell me about it that kind of thing U minmax log again you set the

08:13 values excuse me I want to know what my Max ambient temperature uh was I want to know what my uh charge air cooler temperature was my battery voltage you know that kind of thing it’s going to log all of that right here and you can set those parameters right there so this

08:32 is not a how-to this is just kind of a general overall overview uh shift light is exactly what it sounds like uh Banks modules are that that black box that with all the extra external sensors that are in there uh settings system information you can do a firmware update

08:47 with a Micro SD card on the old versions it’s so you can do it it’s just clunkier um and it’s kind of the old version at this point so that is it uh do we have any questions anything specific that anyone wants to see okay so now these are some of the sensors that

09:11 we used in the development of this turbo kit and we logged it all through the ID Dash now the ID Dash has uh again OBD2 so you can plug into the OBD2 stream it can log any of that data that you want you specify which parameters you want logged it will log those you can also add a bunch of different

09:32 things to it so we used all these sensors um we’ve got pressure sensor uh air temp sensor this is a pressure sensor hooked up to a braided line so it can give us exhaust pressure this is uh EGT so exhaust gas temperature that goes in the exhaust stream and then this is a little piece

09:52 that we made specifically to measure the uh temperature and pressure behind the air filter so I’ll kind of walk through that on the car here now at this point we’ve removed a lot of the the sensors from this car so you’re not going to see them on there uh honestly you would probably only see the

10:10 two here anyway because the rest of them are buried in there but what we had we had uh pressure and temperature here so the pressure is going to tell us if we have undue restriction in our intake set setup uh and the temperature is going to tell us how well the temperature is

10:26 doing compared to ambient we want the intake air temp to be as close to ambient as possible uh and actually that sensor is why this has a lid because it was quite hot without it now it does have what they call the air mouse it’s basically a weather station that we’ve

10:42 mounted in the nose so that gives you your Ambient Air Temperature your humidity um I think other stuff too I can’t remember so basically it’s like a weather station and that allows you to correlate everything you know okay my my temp here is 100° that’s that’s pretty

10:58 warm oh well it’s 100° outside so that makes sense that kind of thing so we had pressure and temperature on both sides of the intercooler now that’s going to tell us whether the intercooler has too much restriction whether the intercooler is working well for the temperature

11:15 Delta or difference between the inlet and the outlet so that’s there uh on the exhaust side we had pressure and temperature on both sides of the turbo again that’s going to tell us how healthy the engine is how healthy the tuning is uh whether the exhaust flow is

11:32 good or whether the pressure is too high and especially the the Delta the pressure difference between the exhaust coming into the turbo and the exhaust going out of the turbo one of the other big things is that we put one of those EGT probes exhaust gas temperature in

11:48 the catalytic converter itself so we can make sure that it came up to Temp fast enough for clean emissions it maintained that temperature as it should and it doesn’t overtemp so that it stays healthy and and long lift so that all worked really well and then we also took

12:04 advantage of the sensors that were in the car to start off with there’s a manifold absolute pressure sensor on the back of the manifold which actually we change to deal with the Boost but regardless that comes in through the OB OBD2 stream uh the mass air flow sensor

12:19 here that tells us how much air is going into the engine and as well as the temperature because there’s a temp sensor in here um coolant temp uh we also put an oil temp in the uh in the pan so that we can make sure that that is staying safe as well so all that kind of

12:38 stuff um any questions yes there is a question I have a saura themed Miata and I want pink can I get pink uh I have a I’m not going to try to pronounce that word themed Miata and I want pink it depends on your definition you can change the color of the display uh you

13:02 cannot change well yeah sure you can change the color of this uh go to your friendly uh department store or Walmart Target and get a can of spray paint uh no seriously LCD yeah the LCD does come in different colors uh or is programmable to different colors uh we can look at that real quick I um will

13:24 admit that that is not real high on my priority list so I don’t know how to do it but I do know that it is possible and you can see it maybe so this is key your OBD2 port always has power uh so this is smart enough to not wake up until it sees an RPM signal that’s why I have to push the

13:45 button to get it to wake up since the engine is not running so you can see this one is blue this one is also blue that was a disappointing change this one is green you see how the color or excuse me the button Arrow colors changed as well let’s see what other colors we have

14:04 preset so white arrows red screen pinkish that’s that’s kind of pink and we’re back to Blue and uh I’m gonna guess no that’s not it uh maybe I won’t waste everyone’s time on trying to figure out how to change the colors but it’s possible it’s in there somewhere whoop okay more questions

14:36 okay um ask about if you were to put this on an NB can you pull accurate oil pressure information okay so if I put this on an NB can I pull accurate oil pressure information yes big old as risk so your car does not have a real oil pressure sensor on it to start off with it just says says I have

15:00 no pressure or actually let me rephrase the oil pressure is greater or less than 9 PSI I think that is all that physical part the sensor itself on the car tells anything I do not think that information goes into the ECU so it couldn’t be pulled out anyway but if it could which

15:20 I don’t think it can it would just say yes or no that said if you set it up with an external sensor and put a real sensor on it this will take that information and relay it to you so it will not pull it out of the OBD2 stream but it is possible if you add the sensors so again

15:39 with a situation like that you can absolutely do it with this kind of setup with the old style it’s going to be more expensive if you don’t need a ton of different uh sensors excuse me if you really if you let me rephrase if you need any external sensors I would wait

15:57 for the new version that’s going to be a much more cost- effective way to do it yes stand alone uh okay so I have an aftermarket ECU runs on canbus will this thing output canbus to that ECU I don’t know what it would output to the ECU generally it runs in the other direction

16:27 so the ECU is going to feed information into a thing that you can read if that was the intent of the question that’s a good one and I don’t know my confidence level is not super high because it would have to be a standard language and this is built around you know big Market

16:43 stuff which is going to be OBD2 so maybe but probably not this probably won’t display the information that your ECU is putting onto the canbus stream um but I’m I’m not 100% on that hopefully that answered the question kind of and if I misunderstood something in there uh

17:05 please help me out correct me uh and I will try to try again more questions okay we’re still here for a minute I have some questions so if you have if you think of anything drop them in there now we will go through our questions that we had ahead of time okay please correct me if I’m wrong for an NC

17:25 to show oil temp you would need to add an oil temp sensor absolutely correct there is no oil temp sensor in this car to start off with again this gauge is capable of it if you add an extra external sensor to it it’s super easy especially with the new one but that

17:40 does have to happen you can’t just pull it off the OBD2 stream can you explain how to add different add-on sensors sandwich plate Etc so it’s going to vary based on somewhat based on your car mostly based on what you want you know if it’s if you you want coolant temp on an NA because

18:02 again this will work on an NA or NB but realistically only with external sensors it’s not going to pull anything useful certainly not enough to Warrant uh the cost out of the stock OBD2 stream so don’t get it for OBD2 use on an NA or NB but it’s fantastic for OBD2 use on NC’s

18:24 and NDS um side note on that one I believe the bank’s website says that this works great on 2009 and up 2013 and up something like that uh it does work on all NC’s 2006 and up we have verified that ourselves so it does work that way um so different add-on sensors it depends on

18:47 what you’re going to do um you can do a sandwich PL plate on the oil filter to get oil temp and pressure make sure you have enough room for that first uh from a fitment standpoint the NC the oil filter is close-ish to the subframe so you can probably get away with it but if

19:04 you have an extended oil filter and a sandwich plate it probably won’t fit so just kind of pay attention do a little bit of research there um if you need coolant temp you can do a hose splice uh you can drill and tap the intercooler to put you know air temp or pressure into

19:22 one of the tanks if you have one of our intercoolers with a cast end tank if it’s sheet metal you might have to weld something on uh so there’s stuff like that uh but the short version is with a little bit of Fab skills yeah you can you can put uh all sorts of different sensors

19:38 on this is a good one um can we use this with the upcoming analog race Dash you are building uh yes stay tuned for that one not going to provide an ETA but it is it is still in process I will say that um you can use it with it and it is pretty much separate so the analog race

20:02 Dash and the exact functionality is still a little bit TBD on that one but the analog race Dash is going to be kind of an LED just a light representation of what’s going on this is going to give you specific numbers so the race Dash uh where where they might overlap a little

20:20 bit is the race Dash and this could provide a warning for a specific parameter um outside of that they’re pretty much going to be separate things because the analog race Dash excuse me is designed uh to for Naas and NBS only is designed to replace the stock cluster

20:41 or stock gauges gauge backing supplement thank you that’s a better way of putting it supplement the stock uh gauge cluster so it generally speaking isn’t going to add more functionality to it sorry more data to it let me put it that way um whereas this is a lot of more data um

21:04 speaking of we do have a handful of videos on that analog race Dash if you are confused and intrigued check out our YouTube channel and look at the videos we have on there it is a very cool project ah can you explain each of the readings what they do and why they are

21:21 important um no we might be here for hours um they they are all uh they are all important um you have uh you have your air fuel ratio you have your coolant temp you have your intake air temp you know you ignition timing advance I mean there’s there are a lot of different things in here and

21:43 they all have parameters that they need to stay within and sometimes those parameters will vary I mean they definitely vary based on the conditions but sometimes they’ll vary based on the car and what you have and that’s that is a topic for another video the short

21:58 version is it can pull a lot out of it and it will tell you when it has exceeded a value that you have set so you need to say this is as high as I want for the coolant temp and then it will tell you when you have done that it’ll make it big and obvious when you have done

22:13 that okay um is it plug and play yep it is as easy as it gets the complexity goes up a little bit with the external sensors it’s not too bad it kind of varies depending on what exactly you’re doing excuse me but um but yeah for just OBD2 stuff man it is it is as easy as it gets

22:36 uh does FM offer solutions for monitoring coolant and oil temp pressure with this coolant yes right here easy peasy um I will also say for the oil pressure question coolant is different so the coolant temp will give you an actual number out of this because there is a real coolant temp sensor on there

22:58 it’s basically just dumbed down for the gauge cluster so you can get real data out of that excuse me um oil temp and pressure no we don’t have any packages for that uh Banks does have a bunch of sensors that drop straight into this again new version they connect directly

23:20 to it old version you need one of these guys uh which I suppose I could demonstrate this you can piggy back if I can get this thing apart okay maybe this is a bad demonstration for a live video but trust me these come apart so you just piggyback them all uh how does the ID Dash compare to other

23:45 multi- gauges I cannot answer that question very well I have not used many other multi- gauges the ones that I have are not even close um usually they’re clumsy some times it’s a big screen which is better for visibility but worse for packaging sometimes the processor is slow so it

24:06 takes a while to do a different thing um so the ID Dash works very very well in a very convenient tidy package uh I don’t have a ton of experience with other similar gauges to speak to those but this is the best that I’ve used by a significant margin okay does this work with all

24:26 Miatas or just NC’s and NDS again OBD2 wise only NC’s and NDS external sensor wise if you want to add that stuff all meatus what else can it do um I think I hope I went through that list uh when we were going through the screen uh if not I can’t remember the other things that they

24:48 do uh do we have any more questions none okay well there you go Banks ID Dash uh summary awesome OBD2 tons of flexibility uh and expansion for external sensors new one coming out that is better in all of the ways particularly because you can add eventually uh external sensors plug

25:09 them directly into the gauge without having to purchase the piggyback module uh and if you don’t need the data logging capability and you don’t need a faster processor and better screen and all that kind of stuff the old ones are uh a good bit less expensive than the

25:25 new one so pick one of these up before they’re gone okay that is it now always as always if you like this give us a thumbs up if you want more of this subscribe we do live video every week uh and if you have questions if you have a different solution if you’ve used an ID

25:43 Dash and it was amazing or if it wasn’t drop a comment let us know and as always we will be back next week so we will see you then